Uhm...I'm not stacking haste so...I dunno why that would have been about me but ok I'll avoid it for COH spam, no worries.

1 spirit is still worse than 1 mp5, though, and that was Mal's point. I would much rather have 50 mp5 on a piece of gear than 50 spirit...the difference is that you aren't going to find a piece of gear that has 50 mp5, but there are pieces that do have 50 spirit, because spirit has less value than mp5 does...which also goes right along with Mal's point. Anyway, if your post saying that spirit is better than mp5 was in response to my original post where I showed how I valued the different stats, you should look at the date on my post. Those were how I valued them before the last few patches that gave spirit such a boost. I've changed my ratios of how I value stats since the last patches, and the ratio between spirit and mp5 is much different than it used to be, but I still value 1 mp5 more than 1 spirit.

Why would you.. especially as a priest, value 1 mp5 more than 1 spirit? You are not looking at the bigger picture. As a healing priest, would you EVER not have Meditation? I'd hope not. That talent alone makes Spirit > Mp5. Now with 2.4 Spirit got a huge boost. Add in buffs... Kings is usually more usefull to a priest than wisdom is. THEN add spiritual guidance on top of that, you get +healing from spirit. You dont get +healing from MP% If you nee it spelled out to you nice and easy, I'd recommend you go and download ratingbuster and just look at the numbers.

In all honestly, all priests should have meditation. Even Shadow Priests with our Gimpy spirit should have it since its free mana regen. In response to MeCH: Mediation - 30% of spirit regen while casting - spirit good true.. I even have it as a spriest Innervate - this is True, more spirit means faster mana regen while you have innervate from a druid. Imp DS - True, spirit good, when you have a non-COH priest. If your COH, you can not get DS. Thus, this is only for disciple priests, not holy. Holy Con - no spirit involved - this is a Clearcasting after a cast which reduces the cost by 100% (free Inner focus for casted heals when it procs) Inner focus - no spirit involvement, jsut reduces the mana cost of your next spell by 100%, should be used whenever its up So all in all, 30% mana regen from spirit is what any priest with 3/3 mediation can get. While I agree that spirit is good, MP5 is also good and should be utilized as well, otherwise why would they have both on holy priest gear? if your only getting a little increased spirit on an item but loose MP5... that is where the choices need to be decided on. As for +healing, that returns to the above on where the choices need to be made and, as late in the game as we are, you should know what are upgrades.

All of the above arguments are pretty fucking retarded because 1 m/5 costs twice as much as 1 spirit. You should be comparing 2 spirit to 1 m/5. And 2 spirit is about as much regen as 1 m/5 while casting, increases the amount you heal, and puts your regen through the roof if you stop casting.

Wow you people are dense. Ever heard of the 5 second rule? If you don't use mana, you don't go into it. Proc Holy Concentration, use Inner Focus, you get 100% spirit regen for at least 5 seconds. That completely rapes Mp5 in terms of mana gained. Anytime you move, anytime the encounter pauses puts spirit further ahead of Mp5. If you are not using spirit to its maximum potential then maybe you should reroll a Shaman and roll your face on Chainheal.

before they changed spirit to scale with int, spirit and mp/5 could be considered sidegrades and you could make a good argument for one or the other. this is no longer the case. as for the cloth gear with mp/5, I would guess that it's for paladins

for pure mana regen, it takes a little over 3 spirit to equal 1 MP5 while casting, if your at the 460 int mark. Higher int means less spirit to equal 1 mp5 while casting. Holy con and inner focus do not get your out of the FSR. They prevent it from restarting, untill you cast your next heal (holy ocn is a proc off a heal anyways...). so flynne, I would say that 3 spirit> 1 mp5, when just looking at the mana regen, because of your int level.

Healing is not about 1 thing. Comparing mp5 and spirit in isolation is fuckin retarded. ITS ABOUT THE BIG PICTURE. if you know how to play effectively you can get out of the 5 second rule, and stacking spirit will give you like 800 + mana per each of those amazing seconds.....and with good gear you should easily have over that i'm sure. spirit helps your + healing as well, spirit scales as flynne mentioned, spirit wins, if you want to use MP5 as a priest and take that over spirit, be a fucking pally or shaman. that means holy conc procs...you dont immediately cast a heal...thats at least a couple seconds then you cast a heal that uses holy conc.....thats another second...then you use inner focus and by the time you use a greater heal, you are definitely out of the 5 second rule because you havent used any mana...you will be in 5sr land until you land another heal that uses mana. CHA CHING, MANA 800 mana for even 2-3 seconds thats 1600-2400 mana bam. Timing this isnt the easiest thing and takes a priest who probably plays it more than a couple hours a week to get used to and comfortable doing this. unfortunately for the fights you go crazy out of mana as a priest, its because you are spamming COH or your healing council and multiple targets.

Yes, but spirit only scales with int... With AB and Kings (30 min), it could be possible to get to 2 spirit > 1 MP5. Taking 460, with AB and kings, you would be around 540 int, so that would put you at around 1.15 mp5 per spirit while casting. That would put in FSR regen at around .7 mp5 for 2 spirit or 1.15 MP5 for 3 spirit. Your overall int is higher so yours could get there with the scaling. I would have to figure out the direct math, as the above is an estimate.