Warrior - Prot - Wish List

Warrior - Prot - Wish List
Please list zone / boss / % chance it drops -- and what it will upgrade and how much of an upgrade it is. Please do nto list PVP gear or badge gear...list items that are an actual upgrade and not sidegrades.

Shield Current: Shield of Impenetrable Darkness (Nightbane) Upgrades: Gruul: Aldori Legacy Defender Gruul ZA: Bulwark of the Amani Empire Jan'Alai SSC: none TK: none Hyjal: Kaz'rogal's Hardened Heart Kaz'rogal BT: Bulwark of Azzinoth Illidan Note: the 2.4 badge vendor shield Dawnforged Defender is not really an upgrade from the Nightbane shield if you work out the stats: Nightbane shield .vs 2.4 BoJ shield: Same Armor Same Block Value -2 Stam -22 Def (-9.36 def skill; equals -0.374% total avoidance if my math is right) +19 Dodge (+1% avoidance) +13 Hit (+0.82% chance to hit) Helm Current: Tankatronic Goggles (Crafted: Engineering) Note: the prot tank helm from Zul'Jin lacks a metagem socket Upgrades: TK: (Tier 6) Onslaught Greathelm Archimonde (only significantly better than 2.4 engineering crafted goggles for 4-pc T6 set bonus) Note: The 2.4 engineering crafted prot plate goggles are nearly on par with Illidan's non-set Faceplate of the Impenetrable. there are some stat tradeoffs (SBV for non-prioritized SBR) and the crafted have 300 less armor, but it would make sense for an engineer to pass both the T6 helm and the Illidan non-set prot tank helm to a non-engineer tank, assuming the crafting pattern can be found available (the pattern drops in Sunwell Platau (SW25) and is non-BoP, but it's availability will be expensive and rare'ish mostly likely.) I have to run to a meeting but i'll add more to this post when time permits. It takes a lot of time.

Boots of Elusion -> Jungle Stompers (ZA) Mark of the Ravenguard -> Barbed Choker of Discipline (Kara) Splauders of Dementia -> T4/T5 shoulders (Gruuls/TK) King's Defender -> Mallet of the Tides (SSC) Crystal Band of Valor -> Ring of Sundered Souls (SSC) Bonefist Gaunlets -> Royal Gaunlets of Silvermoon (TK) Breastplate of the Bold -> Chestguard of the Warlord/Panzar'Thar Chestguard/T4 (ZA/Kara/Mag)

Shield Current: Shield of Impenetrable Darkness (Nightbane) Upgrades: Gruul: Aldori Legacy Defender Gruul ZA: Bulwark of the Amani Empire Jan'Alai SSC: none TK: none Hyjal: Kaz'rogal's Hardened Heart Kaz'rogal BT: Bulwark of Azzinoth Illidan Note: the 2.4 badge vendor shield Dawnforged Defender is not really an upgrade from the Nightbane shield if you work out the stats: Nightbane shield .vs 2.4 BoJ shield: Same Armor Same Block Value -2 Stam -22 Def (-9.36 def skill; equals -0.374% total avoidance if my math is right) +19 Dodge (+1% avoidance) +13 Hit (+0.82% chance to hit) Helm Current: Tankatronic Goggles (Crafted: Engineering) Note: the prot tank helm from Zul'Jin lacks a metagem socket Upgrades: TK: (Tier 6) Onslaught Greathelm Archimonde (only significantly better than 2.4 engineering crafted goggles for 4-pc T6 set bonus) Note: The 2.4 engineering crafted prot plate goggles are nearly on par with Illidan's non-set Faceplate of the Impenetrable. there are some stat tradeoffs (SBV for non-prioritized SBR) and the crafted have 300 less armor, but it would make sense for an engineer to pass both the T6 helm and the Illidan non-set prot tank helm to a non-engineer tank, assuming the crafting pattern can be found available (the pattern drops in Sunwell Platau (SW25) and is non-BoP, but it's availability will be expensive and rare'ish mostly likely.) I have to run to a meeting but i'll add more to this post when time permits. It takes a lot of time. Actually sporx, if you are def capped, which you should be as well as have some to spare, the dawnforged is quite a bit better. Dodge is one stat that is amazingly hard to stack up on, not as much as parry, but still difficult. The hit rating is also an priceless asset as a tank seeing as it effects your over all TPS as well as reducing the chance for your taunt to be resisted.

Actually there is pretty much no reason to take dodge over defense ever, because dodge is only 4% more effective at providing avoidance than defense. Defense also gives block, and 1/3 of the avoidance from defense will work when you are stunned or not facing the mob, while dodge will not. You can be dumb and follow the "defense is not worth getting after 490" conventional wisdom, or you can look at the numbers yourself. Dawnforged Defender is an SSO reputation reward, not a badge item, which is why it's only a sidegrade from a Nightbane drop. But that should be apparent by now.

Actually there is pretty much no reason to take dodge over defense ever, because dodge is only 4% more effective at providing avoidance than defense. Defense also gives block, and 1/3 of the avoidance from defense will work when you are stunned or not facing the mob, while dodge will not. You can be dumb and follow the "defense is not worth getting after 490" conventional wisdom, or you can look at the numbers yourself. Dawnforged Defender is an SSO reputation reward, not a badge item, which is why it's only a sidegrade from a Nightbane drop. But that should be apparent by now. I never said to sit at the 490 defense cap. I mainly stated that its a side grade becuase of the added hit rating which is huge in generating TPS.

No, you pretty much definitively implied that he should be interested in getting the dodge over the defense because dodge is harder to get and thus more valuable for some reason. Dodge is one stat that is amazingly hard to stack up on, not as much as parry, but still difficult.

No, you pretty much definitively implied that he should be interested in getting the dodge over the defense because dodge is harder to get and thus more valuable for some reason. Yes, becuase with the Dawnforged, he would have obtained more total avoidence than the little bit added to dodge/block/parry/miss from the defense on the shield. And as an added bonus, it has hit raiting to increase TPS. Both shields are very similar, one being a side grade for the other, it really depends on the gear of the tank comparing them. Imagine that. I used logic to figure out what was a better choice for someone.

Excuse me? Dawnforged Defender is more avoidance? 18 dodge rating compared to 22 defense rating? Did you miss the part where I said dodge is only 4% more avoidance per point than defense? 22 defense rating ~= 21.15 dodge rating of avoidance. Last I checked that's greater than 18.

Yet it only gives 0.36% dodge which is 6.82 rating. LEARN MATH then argue with me

Yeah, so? Parry and chance to be missed are also avoidance. Apparently you don't know that.

I know that quite well, you stated that 22 defense = 21 dodge rating. it doesnt. Overall avoidance from 22 defense is 0.36% dodge/parry/block. a total of 1.08%. I know what I'm talking about here. its 0.95% from the Dawnforged or 1.08% from the Impenetrable Darkness. However, Dawnforged has 13 hit rating, 0.82%, which is quite nice for increasing ones TPS

22 defense is = 21.15 dodge rating. The decimal places may be off a bit. 22 defense is 9.3 defense rating. 9 defense is 1.08% as you say. That's rounding down, and guess what? 18 dodge rating is 0.95% dodge. I rounded down and there's still .13% more avoidance on the Nightbane shield. Sorry bud, you don't know what you're talking about.

Its not 21.15 DODGE rating. Its overall avoidence. And go look at my last post where I already stated that about avoidence.

It is equal to 21.15 dodge rating's worth of avoidance, yes. Oh, are we onto nitpicking to win the argument now? If you want to nitpick, parry and chance to be missed are strictly better than dodge. So okay, let's nitpick. It's actually better than 21.15 dodge rating because it gives the same avoidance but with parry and chance to be missed!

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